Wallets supporting Silent Payments

[dkbit98]

It's now official, BitBox02 just added support for Silent Payments, and this is now the first Hardware Wallet that can send Silent Payments.
This is a step in a right direction but note that receiving Silent Payments is not available yet with BitBox wallet.
I am hoping other hardware wallets will soon follow this example.

BitBox made a blog post explaining how Silent Payments work:
https://bitbox.swiss/blog/understanding-silent-payments-part-one/

List is updated:

• Cake Wallet ^beta
• Silentium wallet ^{web experimental}
• SeedSigner ^test
• Blue Wallet ^{sending only}
• BitBox02 Hardware Wallet ^{sending only}

[satscraper]

It's now official, BitBox02 just added support for Silent Payments,

Did they receive  bounty opened for  implementation of sending to silent payment address?  BitBox is among those wallets which may apply for 0.01 BTC ^{(not a big sum but still money).}.  Worthy to note that still only two other hardware wallets (namely  Passport and SeedSighner) are among hardware wallets which may apply for such bounty. The door has been shut on the rest of HW  I wonder why?

[bitmover]

Maybe it can improve privacy for signature campaigns, depending on how the campaign manager publishes results. Or for sure it would be a privacy improvement if it replaces the address posted in Bitcointalk profiles.

I would really love such feature.
Creating a new address,  labeling it,  taking care of inputs etc is complicated if you are worried about privacy.

Basically every week I need to  give an address to some campaign or giveaway contest etc...

Adding Silent payments to our profiles would require an adoption from campagin managers as well, but it would change things more radically than segwit adoption.

[LoyceV]

Creating a new address,  labeling it,  taking care of inputs etc is complicated if you are worried about privacy.

Basically every week I need to  give an address to some campaign or giveaway contest etc...

If you'd use the same Silent address for different things, you wouldn't know who paid you. And if you combine inputs, the sender still finds out which other addresses belong to you.

[Pmalek]

Adding Silent payments to our profiles would require an adoption from campagin managers as well, but it would change things more radically than segwit adoption.

I am sure that campaign managers would quickly get on board. They were supportive of segwit as well when it came out and started becoming popular. Besides, they don't lose anything if they support silent payments. But we will surely have to wait some time before we get to the point where the most commonly used wallets support this BIP. When that time comes, silent payments should become a normal thing.

LoyceV does have a point, though, in that you will have to know all the places where you posted your unique silent payment address, and if you are using the same one everywhere, you won't be able to keep track of who paid you and for what. Unless, you know what amounts come from where.

[LoyceV]

you will have to know all the places where you posted your unique silent payment address

That in itself is a privacy problem: you'll link your presence on different sites together. Easy fix is of course to use different Silent addresses. To be, labeling isn't a problem. I like it.

[BlackHatCoiner]

I am sure that campaign managers would quickly get on board. They were supportive of segwit as well when it came out and started becoming popular.

I wouldn't be so sure. There was a big incentive to switch to Segwit, because it is much cheaper for large sized transactions, especially when made on a regular basis. However, this one is a different case. More complex and will be treated as unnecessary addition for a lot of wallet software (compared to Segwit). I can agree, though, that it would help in signature campaigns, even if it's not a holy grail if used in general.

[dkbit98]

Did they receive  bounty opened for  implementation of sending to silent payment address?  BitBox is among those wallets which may apply for 0.01 BTC ^{(not a big sum but still money).}.  Worthy to note that still only two other hardware wallets (namely  Passport and SeedSighner) are among hardware wallets which may apply for such bounty. The door has been shut on the rest of HW  I wonder why?

I have no idea about that, but someone should create a bounty for receiving Silent Payments in hardware wallets, that seems to be more complicated thing to do.

Adding Silent payments to our profiles would require an adoption from campagin managers as well, but it would change things more radically than segwit adoption.

I would support this.
We just need more wallets getting full support and we need someone from nanagers to break the ice.

If you'd use the same Silent address for different things, you wouldn't know who paid you. And if you combine inputs, the sender still finds out which other addresses belong to you.

Event with Silent Payments you still need to have good management for your addresses, so you don't have to join all your addresses into one.
I think we still need to have additional tool to get more privacy means second layer solution, mixing, coinjoin or joinstr.

[Floxynice]

I am sure that campaign managers would quickly get on board. They were supportive of segwit as well when it came out and started becoming popular.

I wouldn't be so sure. There was a big incentive to switch to Segwit, because it is much cheaper for large sized transactions, especially when made on a regular basis. However, this one is a different case. More complex and will be treated as unnecessary addition for a lot of wallet software (compared to Segwit). I can agree, though, that it would help in signature campaigns, even if it's not a holy grail if used in general.

Signature campaign managers might even make a rule against it because it might help the signature participants to cheat a campaign without the public noticing.
Silent payment is not very necessary here in the forum, it will be more beneficial to businesses men who accepts bitcoin. This technology will help them avoid the public tracking back to their address when they reuse it, vice versa.
Also individuals who give out their bitcoin addresses on social media for donations will like the silent payment because it will prevent people linking their bitcoin address to their real life identity.

[Pmalek]

it will be more beneficial to businesses men who accepts bitcoin. This technology will help them avoid the public tracking back to their address when they reuse it, vice versa.
Also individuals who give out their bitcoin addresses on social media for donations will like the silent payment because it will prevent people linking their bitcoin address to their real life identity.

Think about it for a moment. People might not be able to track how much bitcoin a businessman has received, but they will still know that they are accepting BTC. If you are on social media and accepting donations, you are probably registered with your real name. I would never donate to an anonymous individual over social media if I don't know who it is and there is no way to prove that the money would be put to good use. I am sure many think like me. And again, you can connect bitcoin to a real person who accepts it with their posting of their silent payment address. What you don't know are the amounts they have received. 

[Pmalek]

@dkbit98
You can add Dana wallet to your list in OP if you want. This is a brand-new wallet and it's the first time I hear about it. It's currently in alpha pre-release stage. They call it a "silent payment-native bitcoin wallet." The developers warn against using it on mainnet for the time being because it's still being developed. They suggest using signet.

The team has also created a signet faucet where you can get free signet coins:
https://silentpayments.dev/

More information and some screenshots of the wallet below:
https://www.nobsbitcoin.com/dana-wallet-v0-1-0-alpha/
https://github.com/cygnet3/danawallet/releases/tag/v0.1.0-alpha

[dkbit98]

You can add Dana wallet to your list in OP if you want. This is a brand-new wallet and it's the first time I hear about it. It's currently in alpha pre-release stage. They call it a "silent payment-native bitcoin wallet." The developers warn against using it on mainnet for the time being because it's still being developed. They suggest using signet.

Thanks for suggesting, this is the first time I heard about Dana wallet.
I will consider adding it in near future, but this is just pre-release of early Alpha version.
It is probably going to be many bugs, so I would still not suggest anyone using this new wallet, but it's nice to see another Silent Payment wallet.

The team has also created a signet faucet where you can get free signet coins

Not bad since there is no risk with signet.
I will try how it works.

[Pmalek]

Not bad since there is no risk with signet.

The signet faucet in perhaps the best thing about the project so far. We already have a few wallets we can use to play around with silent payments, but this is the first signet faucet I have seen. A quick search found another one. It's useful for those who want to test silent payments without using real bitcoin. According to https://silentpayments.xyz/, Dana Wallet supports both sending and receiving already, which is a plus.

[dkbit98]

Another interesting article about Silent Payments was released on Hiro blog.
They explained basic of how Silent Payments work, and they mentioned how there is a lot more work to done on improving standard.
Electrum server protocol doesn't support silent payments so devs need to add t support to Electrum or create another standard.
https://www.hiro.so/blog/what-are-bitcoin-silent-payments

[MarketNeutral]

What's the status of including Silent Payments in an upcoming release of Bitcoin Core? Is it still in the works?

[Kruw]

Sending support for silent payments was just merged into Wasabi Wallet: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/pull/13536
Receiving support is in development: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/pull/13565

[dkbit98]

Sending support for silent payments was just merged into Wasabi Wallet: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/pull/13536
Receiving support is in development: https://github.com/WalletWasabi/WalletWasabi/pull/13565

I just added Wasabi wallet to the list (for sending only), but note that I didn't test myself how everything works with this wallet.
Are there any estimates when receiving silent payments could be integrated and released?

PS
This information should be available on their website, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

[Shampoor]

I deposited $4000 into Silentium and ended up with endless synchronization, is it a scam?

[Shampoor]

Isn't a web wallet the opposite of what you'd want for Silent Payments? It's convenient, because you don't have to process all blocks, but your privacy depends on a third party.

You can use Silentium with tor browser to hide your IP address, and I think you can generate seed words offline.
I am not supporting any wallets in this list, and Silentium is more experimental proof of concept wallet to test how Silent Payments work, so it should not be used with larger amount of coins.
There are some reports from users with coins getting stuck using Silentium because of sync issues, so I don't recommend it for anything serious.
Cake wallet works much better but note that Silent Payments is still in beta phase.

and where can I read about this, about funds getting stuck?

[nc50lc]

I deposited $4000 into Silentium and ended up with endless synchronization, is it a scam?

Are you the same person who posted this issue in their GitHub repo (since the username is similar)?
Because the core developer is already working on it based from this reply.
Link: https://github.com/louisinger/silentium/issues/16

For the possibility of a scam, most open-source projects are hardly a scam since anyone who's capable of auditing their code can check for malicious code and cross-check it with their live version (website).
Of course, new projects tend to be out of the radar so being open-source alone isn't enough without any investigation.